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Lobster Drama- Why I Got Banned From The LDS Jordan Peterson Fan Group

Updated: Oct 24, 2023


So there is a fairly popular Latter-day Saint Jordan Peterson fan group on Facebook called “Latter Day Lobsters and Sorted Saints”. And as many people know I am a big Jordan Peterson fan and have been for years. I promote his ideas and content frequently on my channel and consider him perhaps the most important social commentator in the world today. So it’s surprising to some to find out that I got banned from this LDS Jordan Peterson fan group in late 2021. Honestly, this has never really bugged me much but many people over the past few years (and even recently) have been spreading falsehoods about why I was banned from that group and are slandering my character. So I figured I would create this post to show EXACTLY what happened.


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On August 6 of 2021 I made a post examining ideas surrounding male and female power dynamics referencing a classic Jordan Peterson analysis of beauty and the beast.

Another member of the group named Joel commented on this post by quoting Dr Peterson’s notion that harmless men are not good men.



A woman in the group (whom I will call Charity for privacy reasons), responded to Joel.


I responded to Charity clarifying why I believe weak men are more likely to commit acts of sexual violence.





AND THATS IT... THAT IS ALL I SAID TO CHARITY. I could tell that this was going in a personal direction so I exited the conversation as I did not want to go any further into Charity's personal situation and I had other business to attend to that day.



LATER, I came back and to my shock found that Joel had gone into a BIZARRE and inappropriate line of questioning into Charity's sexual assault. Group members were rightly upset by his inappropriate line of questioning.




Charity left the group on the afternoon of August 7th.


With Charity having left the group, some were beginning to blame me for what Joel had said to Charity.


So the next day (August 8th) I was reflecting on the situation and how a conversation about the archetypes in beauty and the beast had gone so far off the rails to the point where Charity had left the group and people were blaming me for it. At that time I had recently finished a book called “Against Empathy” which talked about how sometimes personal traumas can actually cloud our abilities to have objective rational discussions. In my time online this was not the first time someone had dropped a personal emotional experience that ended up derailing a conversation. So I questioned the appropriateness of dropping personal traumas into conversations that are striving for objective analysis and shared a quote from the book to begin a conversation.


However, this conversation never happened. I was banned right after making this post.


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What many don’t know however is that for some time the Admins of that group had not liked me. From about 2019-2021 I often pushed back on ideas in the group that were absurd including pet ideas of the admins. For some time I had felt they were looking for an excuse to get rid of me. It also should be noted that Charity and I have had multiple conversations since 2021 and this year (2023) we have even been trying to put together an episode together on my podcast discussing catholicism as Charity is catholic and yet very knowledgeable about Mormonism. However, apparently according to the admins of "Latter Day Lobsters and Sorted Saints" I am still too dangerous to be included in their group. In the end, I don't really worry about them except for when people in their group tell lies about me and what happened. Bearing false witness about me in a group with thousands is not ok. Thats why I made this post. It has always been ironic to me that a group that ostensibly are fans of perhaps the greatest contemporary voice in favor of free speech (even offensive free speech) and against cancel culture decided to ban me for the actions outlined above. I have asked admins for the SPECIFIC thing I said TO CHARITY that was so bad it merited me being banned. They have never provided one.

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Jeffrey Phillips
Jeffrey Phillips
02 de dez. de 2023

Dale, Jonny, Grand, you sound like the kind of person that would glue your hands to a crosswalk to get attention. Maybe Peterson could diagnose the motivation. Clearly you’ve got your undies in a knot for something else that happened outside of the view of this issue, because I (and I assume most) don't see any foul on Jacobs part. You’re projecting is showing.

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Grand Scoobah
Grand Scoobah
25 de out. de 2023

Kudos to you for editing the screenshots and changing the name of the person who disclosed in a private group their experience with being sexual assaulted. I still wonder what is the merit to bringing this all up again two years later.


Over the same duration that a member of this group could have served the full tenure of an LDS mission, you've been quietly seething over being removed from the group. You claim it is because you're being misrepresented but all I see here is that 1) you made an argument providing cover for men to perpetrate harm; 2) you stood by while watching a man engage in toxic behavior toward a survivor of sexual assault because he was…

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Johnny Warren
Johnny Warren
25 de out. de 2023

All I see is whining and that you acting like an arrogant douche is a common denominator when you have interpersonal problems with others and air them to an audience. Grow the fuck up instead of drudging up two year old drama. Wishing you the best and that includes maturing in some regards.

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dalejamestomlinson
25 de out. de 2023

this is a bit disingenuous really. “All I said” isn’t strictly true, as the next day you pointed the Against Empathy post towards the individual (who you probably shouldn’t have named? unless they gave permission) - indirectly labelling them as untrustworthy and irrational because of their traumatic experience. They undermined your ability to defend your position, leaving you with having no recourse at the time without looking appalling - so you waited until they left the group before you said what we wanted to say about them.

Speaking as someone who didn’t advocate for kicking you out of the group at the time, if you can’t see how your post was seen as anything other than an attack against the…


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Grand Scoobah
Grand Scoobah
25 de out. de 2023

Hey, maybe it's not a good idea to publicly post a bunch of screenshots wherein a woman discloses in a private group her experience with being the target of sexual assault, just so you can make some point about how you were "right" in an online disagreement over two years ago.

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